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Opt Out On Smart Meters To Cost Consumers

Wilmington News-Journal -- Four members of the California Public Utilities Commission approved a proposal that allows PG&E to charge residential customers an initial fee of $75, plus $10 each month, to opt out of the company's highly contested $2.2 billion SmartMeter program.

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Submitted Feb 02, 2012 By: catfish99

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luwachris Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:1,047 Points:217,045 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 10, 2012 9:26:10 PM Ignore luwachris Report Abuse Always finding a way to get MORE MONEY out of US!
The_AirHawk Veteran Author Missouri Posts:334 Points:265,105 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:20:41 PM Ignore The_AirHawk Report Abuse Excellent analogy, Sparky19038!
Sparky19038 Sophomore Author Philadelphia Posts:196 Points:232,745 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:23:27 PM Ignore Sparky19038 Report Abuse @Dodge_Me re:"Thats unbelieveable, even the evil cable companys don't make you buy their box( I didn't pay for mine)" Actually, a better Cable analogy would be if the cable company switched from analog to digital, and some customers insisted on keeping their old analog service. The cable co says, "Okay, but we're going to charge you extra to keep that ancient technology because we really want to reclaim that bandwidth for our new digital services." The entire point is to make it uncomfortable to cling to the old technology. It is not a tax, it is a tactic. It is a stick: if you wish to stand in the way of progress, you will pay for it.
Sparky19038 Sophomore Author Philadelphia Posts:196 Points:232,745 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:11:08 PM Ignore Sparky19038 Report Abuse @MadDogUSMC re:"From what I read a few years ago, with the smart grid, they can control your electric consumption. If you are using too much electric and have a smart meter, they can turn your electric off. They won't even have to send out a meter man. I think I would like to go completely off their stupid grid! I hate being controlled. Whatever happened to FREEDOM??" You answered your own question: You give up some freedom any time you obtain goods or services from someone else. Raise your own cattle to prevent eating meat with BGH. Grow your own corn to avoid 'genetically modified' crops. Generate your own electricity to avoid having someone else tell you how much you can use. Just remember that you will need adequate storage capacity so that you can continue using your electricity when there'e not wind or sun, or whatever your source it. You can balance that by staying connected to the grid, selling your excess generated energy to the electric company, and buying at the same rate when you're not making any.
Tomeboy Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:1,480 Points:195,700 Joined:Apr 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:48:49 AM Ignore Tomeboy Report Abuse Dodge_Me wrote: Thats unbelieveable, even the evil cable companys don't make you buy their box (I didn't pay for mine). You may not have paid for the cable companys receiver box... but more than likely you are paying a monthly... receiver lease fee. Direct TV charges $6.00/ month lease fee... per reciever. Comcast (Xfinity) charges $8.75/ month lease fee... per reciever.
Gas_Buzzer Champion Author South Carolina Posts:12,373 Points:2,267,525 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 6:04:16 AM Ignore Gas_Buzzer Report Abuse Just another example of CONTROL by the bureaucrats. The damn government needs to get out of our lives ! ! !
TIGERPAW46 Champion Author Florida Posts:5,546 Points:1,048,175 Joined:Mar 2004	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:24:02 AM Ignore TIGERPAW46 Report Abuse Another Rip Off.
leraar2 Champion Author Massachusetts Posts:1,935 Points:426,845 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:09:39 AM Ignore leraar2 Report Abuse no comment.
wild3bill Champion Author New York Posts:2,191 Points:1,499,300 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:03:59 AM Ignore wild3bill Report Abuse The Gov't forced the breakup of th power generating half and the delivery and meter half of electric Companies just like thw breakup of AT&T 20 OR 30 years ago. NYSE&G once broken up was taken over by Iberdrolqa a European company.
REKEY Champion Author South Carolina Posts:6,730 Points:1,336,380 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:28:18 AM Ignore REKEY Report Abuse Charging to opt out! What a scam!
asog75 All-Star Author Indiana Posts:659 Points:170,270 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:19:53 AM Ignore asog75 Report Abuse I got one, only i didnt get a bill for install.
eric_tdi Sophomore Author San Jose Posts:246 Points:138,680 Joined:Jan 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:10:43 AM Ignore eric_tdi Report Abuse These people are a bunch of misinformed people !! If they where really worried about the environment they would not want some one to drive to your house to read the power meter and wast that time and fuel to do something that can be done remotely !! they live in the stone age and should have to pay for the service.... The Fed government has encouraged this to save moneys and better control the power grid . [Edited by: eric_tdi at 2/3/2012 1:14:56 AM EST]
jorod55 Veteran Author California Posts:264 Points:91,805 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:47:08 PM Ignore jorod55 Report Abuse Gota pay for their major gas fopah some how.
ron98146 Champion Author Seattle Posts:1,336 Points:738,495 Joined:Jun 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:46:10 PM Ignore ron98146 Report Abuse the protesters don't like the rf, same as cell phones that they probably use all day long.
danreino Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:6,786 Points:1,239,265 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:36:52 PM Ignore danreino Report Abuse My electricity meter will ONLY be used by my electric company. Thanks so much ;0 [Edited by: danreino at 2/3/2012 12:38:44 AM EST]
LanguageMan1 Champion Author Tampa Posts:9,698 Points:1,297,625 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:34:58 PM Ignore LanguageMan1 Report Abuse Yep, they're going to get us coming and going, and it's one of the things Obama didn't lie about!
kkimes All-Star Author Illinois Posts:844 Points:1,181,035 Joined:Sep 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:34:29 PM Ignore kkimes Report Abuse "does this raise or lower the price of gas?" I'm sure it will raise it. Doesn't everything?
us4usa Champion Author Missouri Posts:4,421 Points:780,095 Joined:May 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:34:28 PM Ignore us4usa Report Abuse jkpsr:Why would anyone opt out? Maybe they are the meter readers, trying to keep their jobs???
nomad228 Champion Author Columbus Posts:1,806 Points:338,450 Joined:Feb 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:31:38 PM Ignore nomad228 Report Abuse that's what i call scamming america . they wanted automated meters to put their own employeess/meter readers out of jobs then charge the customer more so pg&e can have the homeowner pay for it coming and going. giving the electric companies record earnings.someones playing games ,thinking that the public is that dumb to let this slip by.that like wally world charging customers the same price when they use autometed check out lines,doing the job one of their cashiers is suppose to tod as part of the shopping experience at any store front. what's next utility companies wanting paid for the customer supplying their own power. :). pretty soon people will get tired of these games and just opt out of using any power supplied by local utilities.except they won't be paying any fees to do so.people will get fed up with this and get solar,wind,geothermal,then tell the utilities to go take a flying leap off a short pier. i say we all boycott the utilities for a month and see how they like it.then they would owe us a months in advance. : )
MadDogUSMC Champion Author Jacksonville Posts:17,156 Points:2,506,840 Joined:Apr 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:30:23 PM Ignore MadDogUSMC Report Abuse From what I read a few years ago, with the smart grid, they can control your electric consumption. If you are using too much electric and have a smart meter, they can turn your electric off. They won't even have to send out a meter man. I think I would like to go completely off their stupid grid! I hate being controlled. Whatever happened to FREEDOM??
NO_SWEAT Champion Author Toronto Posts:2,678 Points:745,075 Joined:Jul 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:29:53 PM Ignore NO_SWEAT Report Abuse and the price of gas......
HDFXR1991 Veteran Author Wisconsin Posts:323 Points:92,555 Joined:Sep 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:28:49 PM Ignore HDFXR1991 Report Abuse ok?
kitty1750 Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:1,618 Points:317,380 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:28:16 PM Ignore kitty1750 Report Abuse BTW....we were NOT given a choice to opt out. We got smart meters whether we wanted them or not.
Prodaddy Champion Author Houston Posts:6,565 Points:1,531,770 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:28:04 PM Ignore Prodaddy Report Abuse This is just plain wrong.
Dodge_Me Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,095 Points:233,625 Joined:Mar 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:26:26 PM Ignore Dodge_Me Report Abuse Thats unbelieveable, even the evil cable companys don't make you buy their box( I didn't pay for mine)
northeast2 Champion Author New York Posts:3,163 Points:850,960 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:25:54 PM Ignore northeast2 Report Abuse Like banks charging to see a teller.
CaesarI Sophomore Author Augusta Posts:163 Points:20,310 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:25:34 PM Ignore CaesarI Report Abuse Don't see how it relates to gasoline prices.
kitty1750 Champion Author Kitchener-Waterloo Posts:1,618 Points:317,380 Joined:Jun 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:25:13 PM Ignore kitty1750 Report Abuse We all have smart meters in this Ontario city. You save about 3 cents a KWH if you use your big hydro pulling appliances between 7p.m. & 7a.m.....such as washers & dryers, vacuums, air conditioners, fans, stoves, and keep computers and TV's turned off outside of those discount hours. It really doesn't interfere with the lifestyles of many. But it DOES eliminate jobs as the meters are not checked manually anymore.
CatMan623 Champion Author Houston Posts:13,308 Points:1,981,345 Joined:Aug 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:24:29 PM Ignore CatMan623 Report Abuse "A little revolution, now and then, is a good thing." Thomas Jefferson
rf6480 All-Star Author Miami Posts:705 Points:263,850 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:24:02 PM Ignore rf6480 Report Abuse does this raise or lower the price of gas?
CarolinaBlue150 Champion Author North Carolina Posts:1,315 Points:259,800 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:22:36 PM Ignore CarolinaBlue150 Report Abuse Unbelievable.
LVNV6ofSpades Veteran Author Las Vegas Posts:453 Points:114,010 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:22:16 PM Ignore LVNV6ofSpades Report Abuse Either get screwed by the State of California or get screwed by PG&E. Just bend over and take it.
abacus44 Champion Author Toms River Posts:1,931 Points:419,645 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:20:28 PM Ignore abacus44 Report Abuse Only in California
915Chief Champion Author San Diego Posts:6,081 Points:1,210,345 Joined:Aug 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:19:28 PM Ignore 915Chief Report Abuse almost sounds like a tax
bobt2382 Champion Author Texas Posts:1,177 Points:453,440 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:19:04 PM Ignore bobt2382 Report Abuse ok.
LoneGuy Champion Author Lansing Posts:6,651 Points:1,955,865 Joined:Aug 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:18:56 PM Ignore LoneGuy Report Abuse This looks like an opportunity ripe for corruption.
Bigwaynef Champion Author South Carolina Posts:8,484 Points:1,716,760 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:17:57 PM Ignore Bigwaynef Report Abuse What else could anyone want???
Badjef Champion Author Florida Posts:2,091 Points:453,740 Joined:Jan 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:17:30 PM Ignore Badjef Report Abuse I wonder if the meters were smart enough to know that was a rooster and not a chicken!
g747 Champion Author Mobile Posts:2,783 Points:585,210 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:17:17 PM Ignore g747 Report Abuse The Customers should have the right to opt-out @ their convience.
tedjm1 Champion Author New York Posts:4,060 Points:492,465 Joined:Dec 2006	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:15:53 PM Ignore tedjm1 Report Abuse George Orwell..................
tampacrvdriver Champion Author Tampa Posts:1,711 Points:357,600 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:15:31 PM Ignore tampacrvdriver Report Abuse Consumers bear the brunt.
jkpsr Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,520 Points:757,065 Joined:Jun 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:15:05 PM Ignore jkpsr Report Abuse Why would anyone opt out?
umitb Champion Author Indianapolis Posts:1,853 Points:491,160 Joined:Apr 2010	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:12:55 PM Ignore umitb Report Abuse ok
Blue_Cruzer Champion Author Lexington Posts:5,673 Points:1,305,505 Joined:Mar 2007	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:12:28 PM Ignore Blue_Cruzer Report Abuse This is one way to discourage new them.
duffee01 All-Star Author Mississippi Posts:585 Points:172,215 Joined:Sep 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:12:19 PM Ignore duffee01 Report Abuse Again, another state that the unions and stupid people run. No bailout, file bankrupcy. I don't want to be paying for your mistakes.
joel27nc Champion Author Raleigh Posts:8,686 Points:1,495,245 Joined:Mar 2008	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:10:40 PM Ignore joel27nc Report Abuse Glad I'm not in Cali
judgemobile Champion Author Ohio Posts:5,752 Points:2,083,280 Joined:Nov 2005	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:10:30 PM Ignore judgemobile Report Abuse RIP OFF the customer that's what they do under Governor Moonbeam. That is also why so many people are LEAVING the now tarnished "golden" state.
TommyTraveler Champion Author Cincinnati Posts:6,833 Points:1,334,205 Joined:Nov 2007	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:10:09 PM Ignore TommyTraveler Report Abuse We have continued to elect irresponsible people to office what do we expect?
frostyWV Champion Author West Virginia Posts:1,541 Points:349,525 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:09:22 PM Ignore frostyWV Report Abuse ok
herndonks All-Star Author Baltimore Posts:900 Points:168,310 Joined:Dec 2011	Message Posted: Feb 2, 2012 11:08:46 PM Ignore herndonks Report Abuse .