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Bill could give tax breaks for natural gas cars

WBSRV.com -- ATLANTA — The Georgia General Assembly will see a bill on Friday that would give tax breaks to cars that are converted to run on compressed natural gas, Channel 2 consumer investigator Jim Strickland has learned.

Officials will gather Friday in DeKalb County to mark the opening of the county's first CNG pump open to the public.

David Abroms' truck runs on CNG. He met Strickland at the fueling location on Lithonia Industrial Boulevard where the fuel is selling for the equivalent price of $2.499 per gallon.

"That dollar a gallon can add up really quick. At $2.50 a gallon, that's a lot less than you're paying for gasoline, and it's less than you're paying for diesel," Abroms said.

Dunwoody's PS Energy Group is putting pumps at four metro outlets in partnership with a company owned by b

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Gas_Eyes All-Star Author Dallas Posts:859 Points:291,060 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 1:26:18 PM Ignore Gas_Eyes Report Abuse Just like EV's, CNG will need stations to fill it. CNG can not go if people have no places to fill it up.
Double_Golden All-Star Author San Francisco Posts:725 Points:240,780 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 5, 2012 2:48:40 AM Ignore Double_Golden Report Abuse no more incentive
md11capt Champion Author Denver Posts:1,773 Points:385,010 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 2:12:09 PM Ignore md11capt Report Abuse Who gets the tax breaks?
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,525 Points:148,910 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 1:22:18 PM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse if these cars aren't paying a gasoline tax, how are they going to pay their fair share for use of the roads and bridges?
ClarkSC Champion Author South Carolina Posts:1,244 Points:646,110 Joined:May 2010	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 6:44:43 AM Ignore ClarkSC Report Abuse Where are all the natural gas retail stations? Who is going to pay?
mpg611 All-Star Author Cleveland Posts:550 Points:207,460 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 4, 2012 12:00:23 AM Ignore mpg611 Report Abuse How about tax breaks for people who use Beano so that they dont fart methane gas into the ozone? sarcasm
nurdco Champion Author Colorado Springs Posts:7,211 Points:1,329,335 Joined:Apr 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:28:33 PM Ignore nurdco Report Abuse Ya NEED a national infrastructure Plus more auto mfg than Honda...
Gas_Eyes All-Star Author Dallas Posts:859 Points:291,060 Joined:Mar 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 8:43:24 PM Ignore Gas_Eyes Report Abuse I have been to Asia where CNG cars are common. My brother converted a Toyota Celica (which does not have too much trunk space), and another small four door Toyota. The tanks went into the luggage compartment (not on the roof). The cars can now run on both gasoline and CNG. He has less space in his trunk, but he saves a lot of money. I have been with him many times when he filled up his gas tanks. It takes no more time to fill the CNG tank than the gasoline tank.
GRCummins53 Veteran Author Stockton Posts:337 Points:141,010 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:26:50 PM Ignore GRCummins53 Report Abuse No tax breaks or subsidies! Let them stand on their own merits.
GRCummins53 Veteran Author Stockton Posts:337 Points:141,010 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:25:33 PM Ignore GRCummins53 Report Abuse Well, if you expect to carry anything in that natural gas car of yours, you're going to have to carry it on the roof. There was a fleet of CNG cars where I worked for many years. Pickup had a tank that ran side to side in the bed and took up 18" of bed length. Passenger car trunks were almost totally filled with high pressure storage tanks. The fueling took 15-20 minutes MINIMUM. Fuel mileage was so so. Imagine the length of gas lines if it takes 15 minutes to fuel a single vehicle with current station designs. The alternative is 10+ acre fueling stations with hundreds of spots where you and your green neighbors can spend hours together while the compressor groans and the lines hiss. What are the odds of getting those large stations built in downtown USA? You will probably say that they can be fueled at home, but a compressor system to boost NG to 3000-5000 psig. is not small and not cheap along with not being highly reliable.
YaBassa All-Star Author Michigan Posts:584 Points:152,010 Joined:Nov 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:13:48 PM Ignore YaBassa Report Abuse "The Honda CNG Civic costs $7,000 more than the traditional version and has a three-month waiting list." And not many refilling stations. Not viable at this time.
schatzila Champion Author Los Angeles Posts:3,227 Points:676,065 Joined:Jun 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 5:08:48 PM Ignore schatzila Report Abuse I like natural gas.
reidlej Veteran Author Columbus Posts:358 Points:279,700 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:46:42 PM Ignore reidlej Report Abuse Are they getting a break on road taxes like EVs?
Edpap Champion Author Pennsylvania Posts:1,525 Points:148,910 Joined:Oct 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 4:41:24 PM Ignore Edpap Report Abuse is MPG comparable?...or do you lose 30% MPG like ethanol?
The_DR Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,049 Points:229,620 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:36:36 PM Ignore The_DR Report Abuse I'll wait
GT3186 Champion Author Salem Posts:1,250 Points:266,030 Joined:Aug 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:21:49 PM Ignore GT3186 Report Abuse As much as I am a proponent of CNG, I am a steadfast opponent of subsidies, tax credits and tax breaks for ANYTHING.
Night Owl Champion Author Toronto Posts:5,770 Points:1,432,625 Joined:Jul 2004	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 3:04:54 PM Ignore Night Owl Report Abuse Sounds good. Both the US and Canada have plenty of natural gas. Why keep importing so much OPEC oil?
bandannaman Champion Author New Jersey Posts:1,129 Points:220,645 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:26:13 PM Ignore bandannaman Report Abuse Why give a tax break to a better product?
qwerty17 Champion Author New Jersey Posts:2,032 Points:770,075 Joined:Oct 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:24:47 PM Ignore qwerty17 Report Abuse i'm ready for a cng car now.
edgarCA Champion Author Oakland Posts:1,536 Points:232,670 Joined:Jun 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 2:24:29 PM Ignore edgarCA Report Abuse we will see. a followup of the outcome would be great.
peakkeller All-Star Author Colorado Springs Posts:958 Points:526,260 Joined:Dec 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:40:13 PM Ignore peakkeller Report Abuse Maybe this would accelerate adoption, kind of like the hybrid incentive in California where hybrid cars at first launch had the sticker that allowed them to travel in the carpool lane. Of course that incentive is no longer needed now that the hybrid has become so popular.
bullfrog42 All-Star Author Texas Posts:533 Points:91,390 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 1:12:34 PM Ignore bullfrog42 Report Abuse Sounds good
hoosierva All-Star Author Indianapolis Posts:975 Points:236,240 Joined:Jul 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:38:09 PM Ignore hoosierva Report Abuse why do I feel this is a handout and will never be what it is intended to do and why are we giving a tax break, if it is or will be such a great deal, it should be able to stand on its own merit without help from the Fed. Is this one of those shoves towards something again? Did they miss the step of just nudging and are now shoving us there? hmmmm
djwhit Champion Author Ohio Posts:1,311 Points:862,080 Joined:Jul 2009	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 12:06:02 PM Ignore djwhit Report Abuse YES THATS GREAT GO NATURAL GAS........
tnfran Champion Author Arizona Posts:2,541 Points:492,540 Joined:Dec 2010	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:54:26 AM Ignore tnfran Report Abuse Somehow need to get the flipping EPA OUT of drivers seat on telling us what WE should or should not drive.
Dr Gas Champion Author Twin Cities Posts:2,643 Points:315,025 Joined:May 2004	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:39:13 AM Ignore Dr Gas Report Abuse So let's see the Volt isn't selling, the Leaf isn't selling. And I know there will be those that say the Volt has a waiting list- but - This article just stated that the Civic natrual gas car has a WAITING list. It isn't even being shoved down our thoats. It gets no govt subsidies. It sells for $7000 over the standard Civic price. THAT IS HOW YOU sell cars. Let the public deside what it wants. When the Civic CNG sells more the price should come down. And when more pumps get installed, there will be more demand for them, making for even lower price. [Edited by: Dr Gas at 2/3/2012 12:40:03 PM EST]
vrossi46 Champion Author San Jose Posts:1,420 Points:549,420 Joined:Oct 2008	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:31:01 AM Ignore vrossi46 Report Abuse the tax breaks for EVs didn't work, when they gonna learn
MustangRacing Champion Author Virginia Posts:1,118 Points:332,675 Joined:May 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 11:09:15 AM Ignore MustangRacing Report Abuse STOP subsidizing alternative fuels.
Van_Halen Champion Author Atlanta Posts:1,654 Points:330,155 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:58:31 AM Ignore Van_Halen Report Abuse . There is a 9 month wait for the Honda Civic GX in most areas, Honda can't build them fast enough! The key to this is for infrastructure to be built out and the EPA to stop telling us what vehicles can and can't be converted. Conversion to Dual Fuel is what will really drive an infrastructure build-out of CNG Stations!
VomVom Champion Author Calgary Posts:2,444 Points:1,289,625 Joined:May 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:29:00 AM Ignore VomVom Report Abuse More give away of taxpayers money? The CNG cars can stand on their own.
amoshins All-Star Author Trenton Posts:947 Points:309,080 Joined:Apr 2011	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:17:20 AM Ignore amoshins Report Abuse NO no no no
uglytom Champion Author Florida Posts:6,190 Points:1,289,790 Joined:Jul 2007	Message Posted: Feb 3, 2012 10:11:01 AM Ignore uglytom Report Abuse Stop the giveaways!